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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s a &#8217;70s Thing: Learning to Fall in Love Again With the Songs of Alex Chilton</title>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I thought I was the only person who knew about Big Star. Guess not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I thought I was the only person who knew about Big Star. Guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Mortimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Mortimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 15:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your very thoughtful and thought-provoking comments, Edd. What I&#039;ve discovered over the past 30-odd years of listening to (and, more recently, writing about) music is that, the more I hear, the more I &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to hear. Every musical encounter begets a sonic odyssey for me, it seems. I love finding (and finding out about) a band I&#039;ve never heard of, getting to know the songs, tracing their lineage, and seeking out successors and imitators. I never seem to get enough, and I hope I never do. Thanks for reading and responding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your very thoughtful and thought-provoking comments, Edd. What I&#8217;ve discovered over the past 30-odd years of listening to (and, more recently, writing about) music is that, the more I hear, the more I <em>want</em> to hear. Every musical encounter begets a sonic odyssey for me, it seems. I love finding (and finding out about) a band I&#8217;ve never heard of, getting to know the songs, tracing their lineage, and seeking out successors and imitators. I never seem to get enough, and I hope I never do. Thanks for reading and responding.</p>
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		<title>By: Edd Hurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edd Hurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 23:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments above.  What you have to say about your reactions to Big Star reinforce my idea that rock &#039;n&#039; roll history is a matter of generational notions that don&#039;t have too much to do with music itself.  There are several kinds of Big Star fans:  the few who heard the music when it appeared in 1972-1974  (critics; a few discerning rock fans; a very few people in Memphis, which at the time had, on the one hand, produced a lot of very original and idiomatic music from Stax, American Studios and so forth, and on the other was a standard dumb American city in love with all the &quot;progressive&quot; rock that Big Star was partly a reaction against), folks like me who heard the records when they were reissued in 1978, the generation who discovered them in the &#039;80s, when (just as in the &#039;70s)  rock seemed to be &quot;progressing&quot; past its origins into something far more honest, inclusive and wonderful, and then the even younger people who got into them in the last decade.

What strikes me about your comments is the lack of perspective you seemed to have had about music itself as you heard the Big Star records.   I fell victim to this myself as the &#039;80s progressed and, for a while, I fell for the big con that the Talking Heads, R.E.M., Husker Du, the various attempts to combine &quot;roots&quot; and &quot;punk&quot; that would result in the inanities of &quot;No Depression&quot; music, and other things of that ilk  (back when people took Elvis Costello seriously) had somehow superseded the entire history of pop music and specifically rock and roll that had come before it.  You know, like the idea that non-rock had somehow become rock, as in the &quot;lounge music&quot; movement and all that stuff.  None of which is to say that the music of the &#039;80s was necessarily bad--I myself don&#039;t ever return to most of it, but I do like the G0-Betweens and Prefab Sprout and hip-hop and so forth, there&#039;s always good music.

What I think the original critics of Big Star perceived was the links to the music of about 5 years previously.  The Zombies, the Byrds, the Beatles circa &#039;66, Moby Grape, Buffalo Springfield, the Beach Boys...the high end of late-&#039;60s pop music.  All the original reviews caught this flavor.  Later on, by the time I heard Big Star, we also realized this.  I was born in 1958 and was 19 when I heard the three Big Star albums.

This puts me, generationally, in the camp with Chilton and Chris Bell, more or less.  I&#039;m also from Tennessee and realized a long time ago that Memphis was, despite its faults, the most un-doctinaire and fuck-it-all city in American musical culture.  The Big Star records could have never been made in a company town like Nashville.

To my ears in &#039;78 the Big Star albums seemed like some of the only un-dated &#039;70s music.  I had been discovering all the early-&#039;70s music that my generation&#039;s fucked-up obsession with &quot;progress&quot; a la prog-rock and all that other bad, post-Beatles &#039;70s shlock had obscured:  Funkadelic, Eno, James Brown at his peak, classic &#039;70s soul, late Stax music, and on and on.  The other &#039;70s.  This is what Big Star is a part of; plus, the production of the Big Star records is relatively austere, purist, classic, and the playing in the Memphis style of spare rock &#039;n&#039; roll.  In other words, this was a band with a link to a tradition that the rock fans of the &#039;80s could only dream of.  As people get further away from what rock &#039;n&#039; roll sort of was in the &#039;50s and &#039;60s, they become more convinced of their strange ideas of progress.  I see this every day with people under 35--they think Can is a great band but regard James Brown as a joke, or dismiss the great Miles Davis electric music of the era as a relic of a jazz sensibility they only dimly perceive.  

This is because they spent too much time worrying about fuckin&#039; David Byrne or somebody, or Jack White, or whoever--latecomers to rock.  Chilton was to some degree a precursor to these performers and fans, but Alex liked r&amp;b and understood its impulses.  Who among the younger generation can say the same?  We&#039;ve had plenty of worship of Lou Reed, but I don&#039;t see anyone giving Ernie K-Doe or Chris Kenner their props, as Chilton always did.

I suppose condescension toward the past is somewhat inevitable, given the nature of rock  and music history in general.  I certainly used to think Sinatra was a joke, and spent hours listening to shit like Jethro Tull in 1974 when I could&#039;ve been listening to Howard Tate or the JB&#039;s.   As for Westerberg and &quot;Alex Chilton&quot; the song, I never thought much of the song or of the Replacements.  They&#039;re OK--to me they were about as significant as John Fred and His Playboy Band or any number of other post-punk groups I&#039;ve forgotten the names of.  The skill, verve and artistry of Big Star isn&#039;t there on their records, as far as I can hear, just sounds like more of the same old calculated outrage and studied incompetence to me.  Some good songs.  But I feel sorry for a generation who has to derive inspiration from stuff like this, such a late moment in what was already a specimen of Junk Culture.  

It sounds like you got the picture, and good for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments above.  What you have to say about your reactions to Big Star reinforce my idea that rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll history is a matter of generational notions that don&#8217;t have too much to do with music itself.  There are several kinds of Big Star fans:  the few who heard the music when it appeared in 1972-1974  (critics; a few discerning rock fans; a very few people in Memphis, which at the time had, on the one hand, produced a lot of very original and idiomatic music from Stax, American Studios and so forth, and on the other was a standard dumb American city in love with all the &#8220;progressive&#8221; rock that Big Star was partly a reaction against), folks like me who heard the records when they were reissued in 1978, the generation who discovered them in the &#8217;80s, when (just as in the &#8217;70s)  rock seemed to be &#8220;progressing&#8221; past its origins into something far more honest, inclusive and wonderful, and then the even younger people who got into them in the last decade.</p>
<p>What strikes me about your comments is the lack of perspective you seemed to have had about music itself as you heard the Big Star records.   I fell victim to this myself as the &#8217;80s progressed and, for a while, I fell for the big con that the Talking Heads, R.E.M., Husker Du, the various attempts to combine &#8220;roots&#8221; and &#8220;punk&#8221; that would result in the inanities of &#8220;No Depression&#8221; music, and other things of that ilk  (back when people took Elvis Costello seriously) had somehow superseded the entire history of pop music and specifically rock and roll that had come before it.  You know, like the idea that non-rock had somehow become rock, as in the &#8220;lounge music&#8221; movement and all that stuff.  None of which is to say that the music of the &#8217;80s was necessarily bad&#8211;I myself don&#8217;t ever return to most of it, but I do like the G0-Betweens and Prefab Sprout and hip-hop and so forth, there&#8217;s always good music.</p>
<p>What I think the original critics of Big Star perceived was the links to the music of about 5 years previously.  The Zombies, the Byrds, the Beatles circa &#8216;66, Moby Grape, Buffalo Springfield, the Beach Boys&#8230;the high end of late-&#8217;60s pop music.  All the original reviews caught this flavor.  Later on, by the time I heard Big Star, we also realized this.  I was born in 1958 and was 19 when I heard the three Big Star albums.</p>
<p>This puts me, generationally, in the camp with Chilton and Chris Bell, more or less.  I&#8217;m also from Tennessee and realized a long time ago that Memphis was, despite its faults, the most un-doctinaire and fuck-it-all city in American musical culture.  The Big Star records could have never been made in a company town like Nashville.</p>
<p>To my ears in &#8216;78 the Big Star albums seemed like some of the only un-dated &#8217;70s music.  I had been discovering all the early-&#8217;70s music that my generation&#8217;s fucked-up obsession with &#8220;progress&#8221; a la prog-rock and all that other bad, post-Beatles &#8217;70s shlock had obscured:  Funkadelic, Eno, James Brown at his peak, classic &#8217;70s soul, late Stax music, and on and on.  The other &#8217;70s.  This is what Big Star is a part of; plus, the production of the Big Star records is relatively austere, purist, classic, and the playing in the Memphis style of spare rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll.  In other words, this was a band with a link to a tradition that the rock fans of the &#8217;80s could only dream of.  As people get further away from what rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll sort of was in the &#8217;50s and &#8217;60s, they become more convinced of their strange ideas of progress.  I see this every day with people under 35&#8211;they think Can is a great band but regard James Brown as a joke, or dismiss the great Miles Davis electric music of the era as a relic of a jazz sensibility they only dimly perceive.  </p>
<p>This is because they spent too much time worrying about fuckin&#8217; David Byrne or somebody, or Jack White, or whoever&#8211;latecomers to rock.  Chilton was to some degree a precursor to these performers and fans, but Alex liked r&amp;b and understood its impulses.  Who among the younger generation can say the same?  We&#8217;ve had plenty of worship of Lou Reed, but I don&#8217;t see anyone giving Ernie K-Doe or Chris Kenner their props, as Chilton always did.</p>
<p>I suppose condescension toward the past is somewhat inevitable, given the nature of rock  and music history in general.  I certainly used to think Sinatra was a joke, and spent hours listening to shit like Jethro Tull in 1974 when I could&#8217;ve been listening to Howard Tate or the JB&#8217;s.   As for Westerberg and &#8220;Alex Chilton&#8221; the song, I never thought much of the song or of the Replacements.  They&#8217;re OK&#8211;to me they were about as significant as John Fred and His Playboy Band or any number of other post-punk groups I&#8217;ve forgotten the names of.  The skill, verve and artistry of Big Star isn&#8217;t there on their records, as far as I can hear, just sounds like more of the same old calculated outrage and studied incompetence to me.  Some good songs.  But I feel sorry for a generation who has to derive inspiration from stuff like this, such a late moment in what was already a specimen of Junk Culture.  </p>
<p>It sounds like you got the picture, and good for you.</p>
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